Lil Peep's Friend and Producer Smokeasac Talks 'Come Over When You're Sober Pt. 2,' Coping With Depression & More

Gus Åhr ought to have turned 22 final week. 

Instead, subsequent week, mates and followers of the artist often known as Lil Peep will mark one 12 months because the dying of some of the uncooked and impactful younger abilities that 21st century music has produced. Not solely was he gone too quickly, however simply as a wider world had begun to understand his reward for marrying singalong hooks and melodies to principally angst-filled lyrics, to touching impact—a contemporary, face-tattooed personification of the bridge between hip-hop and punk, emo rock and factors past, without delay tortured, charming, dazed and conscious. Peep at his most transferring and melancholy comes flooding again this week, with, in the end, the discharge of Come Over When You’re Sober Pt. 2, the companion to his debut studio album, launched in August of 2017.

It’s a fantastic report, but additionally lyrically fraught and sometimes grim—darker than its predecessor, which on a minimum of one music, “The Brightside”, momentarily parted the clouds that hung over a lot of Peep’s work. The two information had been initially meant to be one prolonged album, recorded in demo type by Peep and his shut buddy and producer Dylan Mullen, aka Smokeasac, together with George Astasio of the manufacturing crew IIVI. Verses are awash in medicine, melancholy and flashes of his personal demise, on “16 Lines” (“I ponder who you’ll fuck once I die”) and “Leanin” (“Woke up shocked / Am I actually alive / I used to be tryin' to die final night time”). Sex is engaged in as a strategy to really feel alive: “Fuck me, like we're lyin' on our deathbed” on “Sex With My Ex” and “She don't love me, she simply love how I really feel” on “White Girl”. “IDGAF” is as nihilistic as its acronym suggests; haters and faux sycophants abound, respectively, on “Cry Alone” and “Runaway”; and on epic nearer “Fingers,” Peep even declares, “I’m not gonna final right here/ I’m not gonna final lengthy”. Even the sing-song monitor “Life Is Beautiful” is deceptively titled. A transforming of a music that dates again to 2015, a classic video for it, that includes Peep in glasses, pre-trademark “Crybaby” tattoo, simply dropped on Wednesday. 

While temperamentally COWSY2 shouldn't be new terrain for Peep—it’s that very ache that received him a loyal tribe within the quick time he had. Hearing the songs now practically a 12 months since his passing, it’s a reminder of what may need been. And nobody carried the challenge extra on his shoulders than Smokeasac, who once more with the help of Astasio, had the painful job of taking these demos and beefing them up musically, the identical method used on Part 1. The result's glorious, however that doesn’t imply Smoke hasn’t needed to cope with second guessers. Early variations of some songs, together with “Runaway” and “Sex With My Ex” leaked months again, prompting some armchair quarterbacks to weigh in, in favor of the stripped down work. You know what they are saying about opinions, and there's no scarcity of them amongst Lil Peep disciples. Considering how personally he touched longtime followers, it’s comprehensible how strongly held lots of their emotions are, they usually haven't been shy about voicing them this 12 months on a lot of points. 

They berated Smokeasac about how lengthy COWSY2 took to come back out. Some took problem with Columbia Records—as main as a label will get—buying the rights to Peep’s unreleased music. There was the divisive “Falling Down”—the posthumous patchwork single that includes Peep and one other fallen star, XXXTentacion, launched in August—which some followers and erstwhile collaborators felt Peep wouldn’t have authorized of. Last month there was a web-based skirmish when Quavo, on the monitor “Big Bro,” appeared to take a drug-referencing shot at Peep, prompting Peep cohorts to come back out firing till the Migos MC issued a proof, if not an apology; and lately a dust-up when longtime Peep collaborator Lil Tracy tearfully questioned Bexey, Fat Nick and others’ respect for his or her late buddy. It’s all been, frankly, unhappy to see. 

“This is the album that Gus would have wished,” mentioned Peep’s mother Liza Womack, at a COWSY2 listening occasion final month, responding to the Internet commentariat. “And sure, I do know what he would have wished.” It’s a chic report, due largely to Mullen, who admits all of the Internet sniping at occasions will get to him. His personal social media presence is open, accessible and empathetic, speaking brazenly about his personal bouts with nervousness and melancholy, and even lately asserting a plan to prepare an occasion to handle psychological well being. He and his buddy Gus had been fairly clearly kindred spirits. A couple of days earlier than Friday’s launch of COWYS2, Billboard obtained on the telephone with Smokeasac, who was in Paris concluding a mini-tour of his personal, a couple of challenge that he’s known as “crucial album I'll work on.” 

Billboard: Dylan, I do know you’ve been in Europe the previous week doing solo exhibits. How are they going? 

Smokeasac: They’re going tremendous properly and I’ve been hanging out with the followers, it’s a lot enjoyable. I’m taking part in a set of my unreleased music, the place it’s me doing vocals. And then I play a few of the music off of Come Over When You’re Sober Pt. 2—identical to two or three songs. 

You’ve been working by yourself report with the producer Slight. How’s that, and the way far alongside are you? 

It’s going very well. We have most likely 12 songs, and it’s all coming collectively very nice. It all suits collectively properly, and it’s cool to have the ability to come over right here and play this unreleased music for followers, they usually’re having fun with it as in the event that they knew the lyrics, weirdly, I don’t know how one can describe it, nevertheless it’s been a brilliant good response. 

So when can we count on to listen to one thing from this challenge? 

I've a single dropping on Nov. 30, known as “Leave You Behind” and it’s a music with me, and my brother performed guitar on it. 

As for Come Over When You’re Sober Pt. 2, on the New York listening occasion you known as it “crucial album I'll ever work on.” How difficult was it, contemplating not solely that Gus wasn’t there, however now you had Columbia Records concerned? 

Well, Columbia was actually fairly cool with me and sort of let me do my factor with it. I got here to them with the songs with the assistance of George Astasio], they usually had been simply down. I believe they had been simply supportive of Peep. And that meant loads they had been that supportive and keen to assist with having his legacy develop. So they actually simply allow us to do our factor, and it was actually in regards to the music and what Peep would have wished. Because I wouldn’t have had it another approach, you already know. I wouldn’t have been in a position to have lived with an album that didn’t really feel proper by Gus, you already know?

You tweeted earlier within the 12 months that “When the time is true, the music will come out.” Did you are feeling a time strain to get this out by a sure time? 

There was strain in a approach, as a result of I understand how a lot it means to the followers, and that was in my thought course of the whole time that I used to be making the music, as a result of I do know the followers actually wished it. But for me, I used to be simply going by means of a lot, not having Peep round and having followers principally beg me for this album, and at one level it was simply so unhealthy that I used to be getting harassed about, “Part 2, when is it coming?” And, I don’t know, it simply made me need to work on it much more. But I wouldn’t say it made me rush. I didn’t really feel rushed in any respect, however I did really feel prefer it ought to come out prior to later. As quickly as we might end it, you already know, with out speeding. 

Didn’t an early model of “Runaway” and others leak some time again? 


And I do know some followers commented like, “Well why do they should polish it up? It sounded wonderful the way in which it was.” How do you are feeling about that, when—as a result of the Internet makes it straightforward to do—some folks need to weigh in with their two cents about each transfer you make in the case of Peep? 

Yeah undoubtedly. It’s one thing that’s exhausting to cope with, as a result of on prime of the truth that he’s not right here, I've to learn feedback like that. And I attempt to do proper by Gus, and that’s actually all that issues to me. And I can’t clarify that to each fan, one after the other, however they simply take it as—it looks like a whole lot of followers have these tales of Gus, or a view of him that's exhausting to clarify. Some of them are actually harsh on me. 

Do you assume it’s a picture a few of them have constructed up, like a mythology of him that they’ve constructed up in their very own minds? 

I do really feel like that in a approach, yeah. It’s tremendous mysterious and bizarre. Just him as an individual, he was so particular and odd, his complete life was so fascinating, and folks view it as—I suppose coming from an outdoor standpoint, I can solely think about what followers assume. They see issues on the Internet they usually assume it’s routinely true, and there’s a lot false data. I wouldn’t say lies, however there are a whole lot of rumors and lies which have gone round about conditions with him. 

His mother Liza made a degree of claiming on the listening, “I do know what he wished” seemingly in response to second-guessers. 

Yeah as a result of lots of people who didn’t know him, or by no means met him or perhaps even simply discovered about him after he handed attempt to say what he would have wished. And his mom would know what he wished, for certain. He was actually shut along with his mother, and as his producer and his buddy, I used to be grateful that he trusted me a lot to...we labored very well, and I’m grateful that I obtained the prospect to have the ability to do that. As powerful because it was, to complete it, I really feel prefer it’s one thing that I needed to do, for Gus. 

“Cry Alone” sort of takes on the haters he grew up round on Long Island, whereas “Runaway” sort of takes on the fakeness of some folks—and it’s primarily about L.A., proper? 

Yeah undoubtedly. Especially, being in L.A., it’s exhausting to keep away from it. 

Was Gus sort of nomadic? If he had lived do you assume he would have ended up transferring many times—Berlin, San Francisco, wherever? 

100 per cent. He was residing in London on the time he handed. He was touring the U.S., however his condominium was in London, you already know. So after the tour we had been supposed to return there and make one other album, really. I believe he would have appreciated residing throughout Europe, however for essentially the most half I believe he would have planted himself in London for some time. He actually appreciated it there loads. There was one thing about it that...he wished to dwell outdoors of London, in just like the countryside. That was one factor he saved speaking about. He would at all times joke about eager to give up music and grow to be a sheep farmer and dwell within the nation! 

I used to be a little bit bowled over once I first heard the report with how darkish it's, pondering perhaps of “The Brightside” from the primary report, that it might head in that course. 

Yeah in my view Part 2 was at all times sort of the darker half of Come Over When You’re Sober, and that’s simply sort of what it was. We sort of break up it up like that. Part 2 was darker, and we had been gonna launch it at one other time.

What do you bear in mind in regards to the vocal monitoring for COWYS2

Yeah properly actually I sat behind him for each single music. That was one of many issues he made me do. He would make me sit there behind him. I might simply sit there in silence and he would report the music. Like he would lay it like twelve occasions, and he simply felt snug, I suppose, with me within the room. He informed me he wouldn’t report except I used to be sitting there. The demos had been simply recorded in his bed room. And then a few of the demos had been leaked, like we talked about earlier. 

I noticed you say within the New York Times that after he handed you felt such as you spoke to him once you had been engaged on the report. 

Yeah once I was engaged on the report I bear in mind being within the studio, I might lock myself in, like I had booked a while at a studio to actually like sit down in actually a peaceable spot, the place I might shut the door and I couldn’t assist however really feel the strongest vitality behind me. And listening to his a capellas for the primary time after him passing was—I might undoubtedly really feel his presence. 

And then I learn lately that the later stuff you guys labored on with Makonnen, which can come out sooner or later, is far more upbeat.  And their music “Sunlight On Your Skin,” which got here out in September, undoubtedly has a hotter vibe. 

Yeah. It was a distinct time, and he was in a distinct head house. Being in London, he was so comfortable on the market. I noticed a change in him, it seemed like he was being wholesome, and he simply appeared so comfortable. Those had been a few of the finest occasions of my life actually. I obtained to be on the market with them, it appeared like he was consuming good meals, he seemed wholesome. To see Peep that comfortable, it made me comfortable, as a result of he did a lot for me. And I do know that he had been going by means of a whole lot of stress in L.A., and that had been actually powerful to see. 

Were you shocked on the depth of the response over “Falling Down” with XXXTentacion]? 

Yeah I used to be actually shocked really. Because I suppose the way in which I checked out it was—having misplaced Peep, the entire state of affairs was simply unhappy. It was a type of issues that I actually didn’t have any half in, however then seeing the response, I obtained ripped open on Instagram and Twitter. And that harm as a result of I used to be like, “Damn, I didn’t have something to do with it.” And folks had been developing with these concepts that I produced the monitor and that I had put two verses from two completely different songs, and simply, the backlash that I used to be getting was loopy. And the negativity that comes round me and Peep typically, with the followers, and them being offended, it simply is difficult to cope with. I don’t have Peep right here to name up and discuss to about it, you already know? 

There was additionally the quick lived beef, or misunderstanding, with Quavo, after which Tracy had some issues to say lately. But you appear principally with all of this to one way or the other at all times take the excessive highway. 

Yeah you already know it undoubtedly takes a toll, I received’t lie about that. It harm to see Tracy saying these issues, and I've a whole lot of love for him. I've a whole lot of love for everybody. And not all my mates get alongside. You know, I discuss to Nick and Bexey and I’ve talked to Tracy, and I want everybody might be mates. But I identical to to see the extra optimistic facet of issues, particularly in the case of Peep. I simply don’t just like the negativity, I simply can’t go down that destructive path. It doesn’t really feel proper to me. 

You’re additionally very optimistic in your socials and open about your personal battles with nervousness. You even tweeted about organizing an charity occasion to handle psychological well being. Does it make it easier to to share your personal experiences with folks? 

It does, it helps me. Because I do cope with melancholy and nervousness, and what makes me comfortable is having the ability to assist different folks. I really feel like a giant a part of my goal in making music helps people who find themselves depressed and anxious to really feel higher and never really feel as alone. That’s some of the vital issues for me, and it sort of simply will get tied into the music, in a bizarre approach. 

So is that even you referred to, is it one thing that’s within the planning levels? Or extra an concept of one thing you need to do? 

It’s one thing that I need to do, that I actually need to arrange with a bunch of my artist mates. And I’m certain that I can get a whole lot of my mates that might be down. It’s one thing that I'm gonna prioritize as quickly as I get again to the States. I need to set it up with as many who I can, one thing with artists that might be down to truly spend time with followers, simply to arrange a sick occasion that might make folks really feel higher, and all of us get to carry out, and donate the cash to charity. That could be so cool for me. 

I lately frolicked with Ski Mask, who misplaced his buddy XXX this 12 months. I do know he’s mentioned typically that’s it’s been exhausting to persevering with on with X not there, however on the similar time it looks like dropping his buddy has spurred creativity in him, virtually an incentive to create, as a result of none of us know the way a lot time we've. Do you already know what I imply? 

It’s loopy to listen to you say that as a result of I’d say it virtually the identical approach, I’d say it’s virtually precisely how I really feel about me and Gus. He was my finest buddy and I do really feel like, “How am I transferring ahead with out him?” however on the similar time, I do really feel in a approach it’s motivated me to maintain making extra music, as a result of that was our objective. When I used to be actually going by means of it, someone despatched me this text from Dave Grohl about dropping Kurt. And he mentioned one thing like, the principle factor that Nirvana was about was maintaining the ball rolling. And that was one thing that actually clicked with me. It was like, sure, it’s all about maintaining the ball rolling with music. That’s simply what I do. 

I’m sitting right here wanting on the COWYS2 album cowl, that shot of Peep looking the window, by means of the sliver of sunshine. It’s fairly excellent. 

Yeah, it undoubtedly suits the music. And in a approach, I take a look at the duvet to Part 1, and it sort of suits, it’s a bit brighter, after which in Part 2 Peep’s sort of within the shadows, which sort of suits the darker vibe of the music. So I believe all of it sort of got here collectively in a approach that Peep would have been pleased with. And actually, I really feel like Peep was guiding every little thing, all the way in which right down to the art work and the music. I really feel like he’s nonetheless working shit, from above. 

Lil Peep’s Come Over When You’re Sober Pt. 2 dropped Friday and may be streamed in full under.